https://lexlep.univie.ac.at/index.php?title=VA%C2%B732&feed=atom&action=historyVA·32 - Revision history2024-03-29T13:09:31ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.38.1https://lexlep.univie.ac.at/index.php?title=VA%C2%B732&diff=28868&oldid=prevCorinna Salomon at 18:45, 7 March 20242024-03-07T18:45:34Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Three characters inscribed on the neck of the little pitcher, 4 cm to the left of the handle. The rightmost and middle character look like Lepontic St. Andrew's cross and (wonky inverted) upsilon, the leftmost character is not Lepontic, but Camunic {{c|T|T6}}. The sequence is unlikely to be a language-encoding Lepontic inscription. Indeed, it's first mention by Castelfranco can hardly be called a publication, insofar as the author produces it – together with a symbol on another object (Tav. III, no. 27 = Coll. Castelfranco 216 = A 0.9.28482) – as an example for "segnature" on Golaseccan objects which he does not consider to be alphabetic despite their occasional resemblance to Etruscan letters (cf. [[VA·5]] on the Giani-Biondelli discussion). {{bib|De Marinis 1986b}}: 76, n. 55, mentions the inscription, again in conjunction with [[VA·5]], as one of two in the Castelfranco Collection at the [[Civico Museo Archeologico (Milano)|Museo Archeologico di Milano]], transliterating the present one (inverted?) as ''χlt'', the other (Coll. Castelfranco 218 = A 0.9.28481) as ''pχ'', but judging both to be "sigle più che di nomi". VA·32 is listed among archaic Lepontic inscriptions on vessels by {{bib|Gambari & Colonna 1986}}: 160, no. 1; the authors consider it to be inverted and read sinistroverse {{c||T}}{{c||U}}{{c||<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Χ</del>}} ''χut''. {{bib|Solinas 1995}} includes the inscription with a reading ''ut'', disregarding the atypical putative chi; Morandi again gives ''χut'' and compares [[CO·1]] {{w||kut}}.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Three characters inscribed on the neck of the little pitcher, 4 cm to the left of the handle. The rightmost and middle character look like Lepontic St. Andrew's cross and (wonky inverted) upsilon, the leftmost character is not Lepontic, but Camunic {{c|T|T6}}. The sequence is unlikely to be a language-encoding Lepontic inscription. Indeed, it's first mention by Castelfranco can hardly be called a publication, insofar as the author produces it – together with a symbol on another object (Tav. III, no. 27 = Coll. Castelfranco 216 = A 0.9.28482) – as an example for "segnature" on Golaseccan objects which he does not consider to be alphabetic despite their occasional resemblance to Etruscan letters (cf. [[VA·5]] on the Giani-Biondelli discussion). {{bib|De Marinis 1986b}}: 76, n. 55, mentions the inscription, again in conjunction with [[VA·5]], as one of two in the Castelfranco Collection at the [[Civico Museo Archeologico (Milano)|Museo Archeologico di Milano]], transliterating the present one (inverted?) as ''χlt'', the other (Coll. Castelfranco 218 = A 0.9.28481) as ''pχ'', but judging both to be "sigle più che di nomi". VA·32 is listed among archaic Lepontic inscriptions on vessels by {{bib|Gambari & Colonna 1986}}: 160, no. 1; the authors consider it to be inverted and read sinistroverse {{c||T}}{{c||U}}{{c||<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ψ</ins>}} ''χut''. {{bib|Solinas 1995}} includes the inscription with a reading ''ut'', disregarding the atypical putative chi; Morandi again gives ''χut'' and compares [[CO·1]] {{w||kut}}.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As said by Castelfranco and De Marinis, the marks are highly unlikely to be script. Among the eight small vessels which bear marks usually on the neck excavated by Castelfranco at the Golasecca necropolis which are kept in the [[Civico Museo Archeologico (Milano)]] (see the object page), the present one and Coll. Castelfranco 218 with {{c||<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Χ</del>}}{{c||U3}} on the neck (also mentioned by De Marinis) feature the most letter-like characters; the others have various complex single marks which are certainly not letters (see the photos above). Cf. also [[VA·5]] and the other Giani finds from Golasecca. Where an orientation is recognisable, the characters are not inverted in relation to the vessel, so a reading of the left-hand side character as chi {{c||<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Χ</del>}}, even with short arms, is not possible in any case. Though examples for language-encoding inscriptions on similar beakers exists in [[NO·1]] and the difficult-to-read [[VA·4.1]]/[[VA·4.2]], the present marks are better classified as non-script marks or possibly pseudo-script.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As said by Castelfranco and De Marinis, the marks are highly unlikely to be script. Among the eight small vessels which bear marks usually on the neck excavated by Castelfranco at the Golasecca necropolis which are kept in the [[Civico Museo Archeologico (Milano)]] (see the object page), the present one and Coll. Castelfranco 218 with {{c||<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ψ</ins>}}{{c||U3}} on the neck (also mentioned by De Marinis) feature the most letter-like characters; the others have various complex single marks which are certainly not letters (see the photos above). Cf. also [[VA·5]] and the other Giani finds from Golasecca. Where an orientation is recognisable, the characters are not inverted in relation to the vessel, so a reading of the left-hand side character as chi {{c||<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ψ</ins>}}, even with short arms, is not possible in any case. Though examples for language-encoding inscriptions on similar beakers exists in [[NO·1]] and the difficult-to-read [[VA·4.1]]/[[VA·4.2]], the present marks are better classified as non-script marks or possibly pseudo-script.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Corinna Salomonhttps://lexlep.univie.ac.at/index.php?title=VA%C2%B732&diff=26860&oldid=prevCorinna Salomon: /* Commentary */2022-06-07T15:19:28Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Commentary</span></span></p>
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==Commentary==<br />
First published in {{bib|Castelfranco 1876}}: 99. Examined for LexLep on 27<sup>th</sup> April 2022.<br />
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Image in {{bib|Castelfranco 1876}}: tav. III, no. 28 (drawing).<br />
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Three characters inscribed on the neck of the little pitcher, 4 cm to the left of the handle. The rightmost and middle character look like Lepontic St. Andrew's cross and (wonky inverted) upsilon, the leftmost character is not Lepontic, but Camunic {{c|T|T6}}. The sequence is unlikely to be a language-encoding Lepontic inscription. Indeed, it's first mention by Castelfranco can hardly be called a publication, insofar as the author produces it – together with a symbol on another object (Tav. III, no. 27 = Coll. Castelfranco 216 = A 0.9.28482) – as an example for "segnature" on Golaseccan objects which he does not consider to be alphabetic despite their occasional resemblance to Etruscan letters (cf. [[VA·5]] on the Giani-Biondelli discussion). {{bib|De Marinis 1986b}}: 76, n. 55, mentions the inscription, again in conjunction with [[VA·5]], as one of two in the Castelfranco Collection at the [[Civico Museo Archeologico (Milano)|Museo Archeologico di Milano]], transliterating the present one (inverted?) as ''χlt'', the other (Coll. Castelfranco 218 = A 0.9.28481) as ''pχ'', but judging both to be "sigle più che di nomi". VA·32 is listed among archaic Lepontic inscriptions on vessels by {{bib|Gambari & Colonna 1986}}: 160, no. 1; the authors consider it to be inverted and read sinistroverse {{c||T}}{{c||U}}{{c||Χ}} ''χut''. {{bib|Solinas 1995}} includes the inscription with a reading ''ut'', disregarding the atypical putative chi; Morandi again gives ''χut'' and compares [[CO·1]] {{w||kut}}.<br />
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As said by Castelfranco and De Marinis, the marks are highly unlikely to be script. Among the eight small vessels which bear marks usually on the neck excavated by Castelfranco at the Golasecca necropolis which are kept in the [[Civico Museo Archeologico (Milano)]] (see the object page), the present one and Coll. Castelfranco 218 with {{c||Χ}}{{c||U3}} on the neck (also mentioned by De Marinis) feature the most letter-like characters; the others have various complex single marks which are certainly not letters (see the photos above). Cf. also [[VA·5]] and the other Giani finds from Golasecca. Where an orientation is recognisable, the characters are not inverted in relation to the vessel, so a reading of the left-hand side character as chi {{c||Χ}}, even with short arms, is not possible in any case. Though examples for language-encoding inscriptions on similar beakers exists in [[NO·1]] and the difficult-to-read [[VA·4.1]]/[[VA·4.2]], the present marks are better classified as non-script marks or possibly pseudo-script.<br />
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{{bibliography}}</div>Corinna Salomon